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All Truth is God's Truth . . . True or False?

Posted by James MacDonald on June 15, 2007 03:35 PM | Comments (6)

Love the dialogue here, from Matt and Drew and Don etc. I have to get my messge ready for this weekend on Acts 20, but that statement about "all truth being God's truth," needs to be challenged. God willing I will get with you on that early next week. Stay tuned . . .


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Posted by: Matt | June 15, 2007 06:09 PM

Just make sure to focus on the reasoning of it rather than its implications.

;-)

I heard MacArthur level a hard blow against it, but all he did was talk for 45 minutes about how, "If this is true, then we're all screwed." That's a fallacy of evasion--a non-argument. Lots of energy, but no substance.

Looking forward to your post.

Editor:
Yeah, I'm gonna say that MacArthur probably shattered your fallacy about the role of human persuasion in evangelism. It's so sad that so many people see themselves as the ones who are "winning" people. That is a very weak theology of how a lost person is converted. After 25 years in ministry having personally baptized and heard first hand the stories of thousands of conversions, I can tell you it's not the messenger that get's it done, it's the message. Down with the human persuasion model. It's not true, it doesn't work and it is steeped in the fear of man. More on this on Monday, this is getting really good now.

james


Posted by: Cornelius | June 15, 2007 09:21 PM

Pastor James,
Are you including subjective or objective truth?
Is this scientific truth or truth that comes from some book (Bible, Koran) or philosophical truth?

The implications would be astronomical depending how the statement, "all truth is God's truth" is being used and in what context.

I guess what I am looking for is a definition of what you believe to be the truth then, perhaps, we can derive if it is God's or not.

God's word is his truth because it's God's word. God is not a man that he should lie; thereby, making anything in God's word the truth**.

God's truth = truth

However, statements made by you or I might not necessarily be the truth just because we believe those statements to be true.

My statement ~- truth
Looking forward to your post.

** John 17:16; 2 Corinthians 4:2; John 1:14; 2 Timothy 2:15; Numbers 23:19


Posted by: Julie | June 17, 2007 05:18 PM

Hey Pastor James! I was reading Drew's post yesterday and reading your blog, because I'm getting ready for counseling on the ranch this summer. Anyways, I was reading Drew's post, and i disagree with him about all truth being God's truth. The only truth i know is God, who, unlike truth these days, never changes and is always the same yesterday today and forever. Your two mesages when i was home on Acts 18 and 19 defiently made the whole post-modern/relativism thing clear to all of us, and i want to thank you for you proclaiming God's message into my life, not just those times, but every Sunday when i go to church to worship walk and work for Christ. I apply those messages to my life, and every time you speak, God shows me another area of my life He's pruning to make me into a more godly woman after His heart. Julie. P.S. ou'll love the Adirondack's. Their beautiful. Have fun in Albany.


Posted by: Matt | June 18, 2007 01:35 AM

I'm seething to have the theological suplex performed on me.

There's a decent chance you won't hear much (if anything) from me on this next topic. Don't worry, I'm sure there will be plenty of others to keep things lively. ;-)

[What I really need, I think, is counseling. The problem is me. The reality is that I don't want Calvin to be right, because every time I warm up to him, I fall into deep depression and total apathy. I just got through reading at least two dozen scripture passages that support his soteriology, contrasted with scriptures that supposedly (and for the most part, unconvincingly) presented a contrary view.]

Gosh, it's late. I wonder how many people (who don't have exams to take or papers due the next day) stay awake till 2 AM because of theology? I'm beginning to wonder if ignorance truly is bliss...

Oh wait, the truth will set me free.

Why do I feel heavy laden and trapped, rather than free?

Editor:
I looked for you at church this weekend. You're gonna be fine. The passion for lost people is an awesome work of God in your life. Every choice we make affects futures for people and for ourselves. Scripture strongly asserts this. We just don't want to assert a role for ourselves that seems to minimize in any way God's sovereignty or God's Word or God's Spirit at work in the hearts of men.

I'm gonna work on my blog. Call Lindsay at the office this week and tell her we're gonna get together. I'm looking forward to it. I totally respect your passion for truth, chase it as far as the boundaries of God's Word will allow you to go, but no further. :)

james


Posted by: myron | June 29, 2007 06:14 PM

Authority is the power to discern the truth. Being the authority in my home I can usually tell when my child is telling the truth because it is typically short and to the point. When an explaination is lengthy I will suspect that it may not be truthful or that it is only partly true. I feel that truth is also singular in that you can only produce a pure note of music if your in tune. GOD's WORD rings true to those that love HIM and becomes foolishness to those that don't!


Posted by: Jason | August 16, 2007 09:50 PM

Hi all,
Love ya, James

I know I am way at the tail end of this but has anyone ever witnessed a time in which a person who said, "All truth is God's truth" wasn't trying to posit something that, at best, was Biblically questionable? My baloney-detector goes on full blast whenever I hear that phrase.

Jason



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